Keeping those two lives apart takes some vigilance. He has a close circle of people he trusts, but there have been occasions when strangers have tried sneaking photographs. “I can tell exactly when somebody is reaching for their phone or even if their camera is just facing me.” Earlier this year, an unmasked video of him at Nupur Sanon and Stebin Ben’s wedding began circulating online. When I bring it up, his response comes with an edge of irritation, though there’s a sense of hurt beneath it too. “First of all, that video is not really in HD. Whoever recorded that got a really shitty phone.” Most of his fans, he agrees, were supportive, but creators repeatedly reposting the footage for views and likes were another matter. “I have a little hint about who might have done it, but I’m going to save that mystery for a little longer. I just want to tell them that I’m coming for you.” He delivers the warning deadpan, before breaking into laughter. Asked whether he might reveal his face on his own terms someday, he simply says, “Yeah, let’s see what happens.”
His fans don’t just protect his anonymity, they also find ways to keep his music alive. The title of his latest EP, Paiinted Feeliings (the double I’s being a nod to the spelling of his stage name, Talwiinder, as well as a play on his dual personality), for instance, came from a fan. “The moment I saw that [EP name suggestion], I knew that was the name of my next project.” The four-track EP began rolling out in September, with ‘Assay Passay’ and ‘Mangda Wapis Kyun’, before ‘Geet’ and ‘Jind Meri’ completed the quartet on October 30. The songs explore different shades of love, longing, and emotion. “They’re going to hear stuff that they’ve never heard before, but the real magic is going to happen when they see me perform live.”
He didn’t set out to be a peacemaker, but his collaborations have also taken him into territory where music and politics often collide. Working with Pakistani artists, including Hasan Raheem on ‘Wishes’ and Afusic and Ali Soomro on ‘Pal Pal’, has earned him some detractors. When some of these songs became harder to access on Indian streaming platforms (while ‘Pal Pal’ has since returned to Spotify India, ‘Wishes’ remains unavailable), listeners found their own workarounds, with fans even uploading tracks as podcast episodes so they could continue listening. Despite this, he joined Raheem on stage earlier this year at his sold-out Toronto concert to perform ‘Wishes’ live for the first time and addressed the restriction, an appearance that drew severe backlash online.
Does censorship or backlash make him more cautious about whom he works with? Talwiinder doesn’t seem interested in letting either dictate his creative choices. “You should make music that feels right to you, work with artists that feel right to you, and the music will find you. I really have to see that the kind of love my community gives me, their community is also giving. So, it makes sense to bring communities together that have the same vibrations.” It’s a clear position.
He’s also quite opinionated about another subject currently dividing creative circles—artificial intelligence. While many musicians are wary of AI encroaching on the creative process, Talwiinder draws a distinction between using it to make music and using it to realise a visual idea. “[There are] a lot of lazy artists. A lot of AI artists,” he says. Using AI to make music, production or vocals is “very low” in his books. But using it to build a visual world is another matter. “Use AI smartly. I really love AI in my visuals. In my music videos, I use it to expand, make it bigger than what it is, to show people something that’s a little outside of this world. Because you’re not a director, you’re a singer. Use it to express your vision, your imagination.”
Most of his music is made late at night, when “the world is sleeping” and there is “so much more quiet and peace”. His preferred company is peppermint green tea with honey and ginger. Away from the studio, there’s badminton, frisbee, volleyball and, more recently, experimenting with kettlebells. Going seven or 10 days without making music leaves him frustrated. “There’s irritation. There’s something inside of me that just needs to come out.”
With the next project already taking shape, I ask if he’ll give me a little preview. He offers a rather cryptic distinction between the two, “There’s feelings in this one, and there’s emotions in the next one.” We’ll have to wait and see what that means. Asked how he manages to switch off between projects, he has a simpler prescription: “My break is me just getting 12-plus hours of sleep.”